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Keith Daniels: Mistrust of authority and an advocacy of independence and freedom, anarchy, runs throughout nearly all your work. Is it gratifying, then, to read the news now and see these authoritarian regimes crumbling all over the world and the superpowers who funded and armed these tyrants left with nothing to show for it? Michael Moorcock: Of course it's gratifying to see citizens rising up to claim their democratic power. However, we have seen so many revolutions, velvet or otherwise, hijacked by corrupt people, that I'm reluctant to begin celebrating immediately. The good thing is that the Western powers, which have so frequently attempted to take advantage of such revolutions, simply can't afford to do it now. Of course some of the peoples of North Africa and the Middle East do have a chance of building stable democracies. People are learning from past mistakes. But human greed is pretty powerful and we're already seeing the Egyptian army beating up protesters, imprisoning them, possibly killing them. The problem is that armies are not by nature democratic. I don't think we'll see a complete falling back to the pre-revolutionary tyrannies. Libya's probably the most problematical situation. Tunisia's most likely to establish a stable democracy, but, of course, there are thousands of Tunisians flooding into Europe because they can't trust the future -- and others, of course, are economic migrants, hoping to stay in Europe and work. It will be a while before we can really begin to celebrate, I think. Few of these countries have the means of building any sturdy democratic infrastructure, and so we have to offer what support we can and hope the will of the people can remain focused. I hope the Muslim Brotherhood can help. They tend to look to Turkey for their best model, and as we know even Turkey isn't completely free of problems. If the best, most tolerant, elements of the Brotherhood remain in power then we could see something good in a year or two. KD:How does the year 2011 compare to what you imagined it would be in the '60s? I don't necessarily mean "we don't have flying cars", but rather, did you hope that somehow the world would be a better place now than it was then? Is it? MM:I'm pretty much of an optimist, so yes I'd hoped the world would have a bit more of the rule of law. You could say I'd anticipated most of this in one story or another, but you describe dystopias in the hope they won't happen. Almost as soon as LBJ and his kind around the world made some progressive laws in much of the world it seemed that big business began scheming about how to grab the power back. Brute instinct which they always dignify as 'natural'. Gradually they succeeded until with Reagan and Thatcher we'd created one of the most unjust democratic systems since the 1920s. That said, I tend to shoehorn visions of utopia into books like The War Amongst the Angels and King of the City, because I think one might as well show your reader that you think there are goals worth achieving, even when things seem a bit dark. I came across a newspaper piece I'd written in 1991 in which I visualised the computer VR experience of 2011. I was wildly optimistic. I'm hoping that popular demonstrations (we were in the first ones last year in Paris) will bring progressives out all over the world. I'm always amazed by how reluctant Americans generally are to get into the streets -- or put that in the past tense. I'm pleased that at least some Americans are out demonstrating again, even if it took reactionaries to spur them to it. The Tea Party movement is classically reactionary. I don't think they represent the larger public though. Another bit of dystopian vision you hoped wouldn't happen. |